Former first lady Michelle Obama’s new podcast, which she co-hosts with her brother Craig Robinson, is not taking off in popularity following the release of two episodes, which are trending lower on all three major podcast platforms.

The first significant public appearance by former First Lady Michelle Obama since Trump was elected back to office came with high expectations.

If you’re looking for hot gossip about Obamas’ marriage — or any marriage — the former First Lady’s IMO podcast is not for you.